from the topic: https://aptera.us/community/discussion/ ... charging/
I wrote in the topic entitled above:
Actually, there is a very practical reason that Aptera ought to consider V2L
It gives them a critical tool to effectuate a sustainable … at least partially sun powered … delivery system.
Aptera is abnormally light for a vehicle at 2,000 lbs/copy. Five Aptera on a specially designed and powered (electric) trailer that draw power from the Aptera would be capable of travel with range roughly the same as an unloaded EV truck – 300+ miles on a charge as the trailer has access to not only its own 40kw battery but the combined 200+ kilowatts of the power generating Aptera being transported.
Most EV trucks have pretty substantial pulling power but their weak link is range under load. The powered trailer would negate a large portion of the energy expended by the truck allowing it close to attain full range. The only real modification that is not common would be to enable on the move charging from trailer to truck which could be one of the elements of the trailer design.
The point is, this wishful design is all about the trailer. The V2G/V2L capability of the Aptera opens the possibility of tapping the power generated by the Aptera during transport, comfortable in the knowledge their solar cells will keep their batteries charged in the mid-range. Consider when these vehicles are in transit they are capable of reaching full charge with solar and staying there. That is not ideal.
What should appeal to Aptera is this creates a ‘sun powered’ distribution system. From a practical standpoint, a guy with a Cybertruck in need of a job could put his investment to use delivering Aptera within a 300 mile range on a contract basis.
Given Aptera’s roll out plans building regionally located mini-assembly plants in various geographic locations, each location with a productive capacity at double shifts of 80 vehicles a day (4-6/hr) a few ‘micro-sized’ hauler capable of holding five vehicles ready for delivery could even be dispatched immediately for delivery behind a clean energy vehicle.
I know Aptera’s fan base would forgive them using established commercial trucking solutions but innovating something along these lines would be epic. Hell, the EV delivery trucks could be service vehicles wrapped with the Aptera message.
Of course the topic started with other comments from others. Following his post is a chatgpt summary of the topic.
(V2V), (V2G), (V2H) and (V2L) info
Re: (V2V), (V2G), (V2H) and (V2L) info
n the Aptera community forum, a discussion titled "Aptera to Aptera Charging (V2V Charging)" delved into the feasibility and desirability of implementing vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) charging capabilities in Aptera vehicles.
Original Post:
The discussion was initiated by a member who proposed the idea of enabling Aptera vehicles to charge one another, particularly in emergency situations where a vehicle might be stranded without sufficient battery power. They shared a video elaborating on this concept and sought feedback from the community regarding its practicality and appeal.
Summary of Responses:
Technical Feasibility and Standards:
Participants noted that the current Combined Charging System (CCS) standard used in North America does not support vehicle-to-grid (V2G) or V2V capabilities and isn't expected to include V2G functionality until at least 2025. Presently, only the CHAdeMO standard offers V2G support. This limitation poses a challenge for implementing V2V charging in Aptera vehicles.
Potential Use Cases and Limitations:
Some members expressed skepticism about the necessity of V2V charging for Aptera, emphasizing that such features are more pertinent to larger vehicles like the Ford F-150 Lightning, which are often used in towing or roadside assistance scenarios. They argued that organizations like AAA would be better suited to provide mobile charging solutions for stranded electric vehicles, rather than relying on other Aptera owners.
Alternative Power Output Options:
The discussion also touched upon Aptera's plans to include an onboard AC inverter capable of providing 120V AC power, similar to a standard household outlet. This feature would allow owners to power small appliances, tools, or even charge another electric vehicle at Level 1 charging speeds. However, the expected output is limited to around 1,500 watts, which may not be sufficient for rapid vehicle charging.
Resource Allocation and Prioritization:
Concerns were raised about the potential diversion of Aptera's limited resources toward developing V2V capabilities. Some members felt that focusing on core functionalities and ensuring the successful launch of the vehicle should take precedence over additional features like V2V charging, which might complicate development and strain resources.
Home Backup Power Considerations:
The topic of vehicle-to-home (V2H) capabilities was also discussed, with some members highlighting the complexities and costs associated with setting up a home backup system powered by an electric vehicle. They pointed out that such setups require the installation of automatic transfer switches and other infrastructure, which can be a significant investment.
Conclusion:
The community's response to the idea of implementing V2V charging in Aptera vehicles was mixed, with several members expressing skepticism about its practicality and necessity. The current limitations of charging standards, potential resource diversion, and the existence of alternative solutions were cited as reasons to deprioritize this feature. While the concept holds appeal for emergency situations, the consensus leaned toward focusing on Aptera's core functionalities and ensuring a successful market entry before considering additional features like V2V charging.
For a visual explanation of the proposed V2V charging concept, you can watch the following video shared by the original poster:
Original Post:
The discussion was initiated by a member who proposed the idea of enabling Aptera vehicles to charge one another, particularly in emergency situations where a vehicle might be stranded without sufficient battery power. They shared a video elaborating on this concept and sought feedback from the community regarding its practicality and appeal.
Summary of Responses:
Technical Feasibility and Standards:
Participants noted that the current Combined Charging System (CCS) standard used in North America does not support vehicle-to-grid (V2G) or V2V capabilities and isn't expected to include V2G functionality until at least 2025. Presently, only the CHAdeMO standard offers V2G support. This limitation poses a challenge for implementing V2V charging in Aptera vehicles.
Potential Use Cases and Limitations:
Some members expressed skepticism about the necessity of V2V charging for Aptera, emphasizing that such features are more pertinent to larger vehicles like the Ford F-150 Lightning, which are often used in towing or roadside assistance scenarios. They argued that organizations like AAA would be better suited to provide mobile charging solutions for stranded electric vehicles, rather than relying on other Aptera owners.
Alternative Power Output Options:
The discussion also touched upon Aptera's plans to include an onboard AC inverter capable of providing 120V AC power, similar to a standard household outlet. This feature would allow owners to power small appliances, tools, or even charge another electric vehicle at Level 1 charging speeds. However, the expected output is limited to around 1,500 watts, which may not be sufficient for rapid vehicle charging.
Resource Allocation and Prioritization:
Concerns were raised about the potential diversion of Aptera's limited resources toward developing V2V capabilities. Some members felt that focusing on core functionalities and ensuring the successful launch of the vehicle should take precedence over additional features like V2V charging, which might complicate development and strain resources.
Home Backup Power Considerations:
The topic of vehicle-to-home (V2H) capabilities was also discussed, with some members highlighting the complexities and costs associated with setting up a home backup system powered by an electric vehicle. They pointed out that such setups require the installation of automatic transfer switches and other infrastructure, which can be a significant investment.
Conclusion:
The community's response to the idea of implementing V2V charging in Aptera vehicles was mixed, with several members expressing skepticism about its practicality and necessity. The current limitations of charging standards, potential resource diversion, and the existence of alternative solutions were cited as reasons to deprioritize this feature. While the concept holds appeal for emergency situations, the consensus leaned toward focusing on Aptera's core functionalities and ensuring a successful market entry before considering additional features like V2V charging.
For a visual explanation of the proposed V2V charging concept, you can watch the following video shared by the original poster: